Talking Turkey

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Better Thanksgiving turkey in half the time — by braising.

It’s time for traditionalists to face facts: turkey is a pretty lousy item of poultry. That it became the standard for the Thanksgiving celebration is, of course, a function of the mythologized first date of “pilgrims” and “Indians” in 1621, Plymouth Colony. (Somehow, a carefree night of dinner and dancing led to a violent, abusive long-term relationship, to the everlasting regret of the indigenous peoples of North America and the well-repressed shame of generations of settler colonizers.) Turkeys were one of the principal comestibles mentioned in the account of Plymouth Governor, William Bradford. But he also listed waterfowl, venison, fish, lobster, and clams on that first menu – all of which are way tastier than turkey.

So why has turkey persisted as the Thanksgiving mainstay? Undoubtedly because it is big enough to feed an army of poorly mannered relatives and is relatively cheap. Scalability of domesticated production is also a key consideration. Turkeys can be easily and economically (if rarely ethically) raised, slaughtered, and frozen in order that whole countries – first Canada, in October, then the U.S., in November – can sit down to essentially the same meal at the same time.

A week of post-partum Turkey sandwiches may, to many minds, offer compelling justification for doing the bird. Perhaps. But if a turkey sandwich is good, a roast chicken sandwich is still better; it just doesn’t come to mind as readily. Why? Because chicken is delicious enough (and appropriately sized) to devour at the first sitting, leaving far fewer such leftover opportunities.

My mother would add another factor in favor of the turkey. She thinks there is a thrilling, primal culinary drama when such a large bird is roasted essentially intact. I challenge this rationalization. Only those in the kitchen generally get to appreciate the bird in its complete, golden majesty – and, then, only for the brief period between emergence from the oven and the point at which it has rested sufficiently to be carved. Or should I say, “hacked.” Despite the fact that carving a turkey is about the simplest thing one can do with a knife and a bird, most people manage to make quite a mess of it. And there is nothing dramatic about a hacked-up turkey carcass – unless you are a compassionate vegetarian, in which case it is absolutely the wrong kind of drama.

My preferred approach to preparing the Thanksgiving bird would be to roast a chicken and pretend the “turkey” shrunk in the oven. When tradition prevails and prevarication won’t fly – as on, say, a day when we are supposed to be expressing gratitude for the beauty of life and the bounty of the earth – I take an approach to turkey that fully abnegates my mother’s delight in its roasted wholeness. I reduce the turkey to pieces before anyone has a chance to see it.

The basic concept for my preparation comes from a piece published several years ago by the fabulous Mark Bittman in his New York Times column, The Minimalist. Bittman argued that roasting a whole turkey is not only a waste of time (four hours or more for a large bird), it is almost guaranteed to produce a crappy meal. Since breast meat cooks in a fraction of the time required for the legs – not to mention the stuffing in the body cavities, which is actually the good part of the thanksgiving meal – it is invariably dry and tasteless. Braising the meat allows each part to be cooked according to its individual needs.

Bittman’s recipe involves braising some veggies along with the bird; but it does not really address the full-blown Thanksgiving context, which requires a dressing (stuffing) and gravy that are directly influenced by preparation of the meat. What follows is my adaptation of Bittman’s Braising technique to the traditional Thanksgiving menu.

But I’ve done one more thing, which you might find useful. I’ve placed the methodology within a chronology, so that even the least coordinated cook can turn-out all the components of the dinner on-time and well synchronized. My objective was to demonstrate that one can shop for Thanksgiving dinner on Thanksgiving morning and still comfortably have it on the table by dinnertime. My approach makes for a very simple, fast, relaxed Thanksgiving Day preparation. There is plenty of time to create the other dishes – say, cranberry relish, sautéed Brussels sprouts, cornbread, and, of course, mashed potatoes – even if you don’t start cooking until noon. Not only is this the best damned turkey you’ve ever eaten, it is the easiest.

So give thanks this Thanksgiving to Mark Bittman for suggesting braising, rather than roasting your turkey. And do one more extremely important thing: no matter how you prepare it, buy only a properly raised bird. Factory farming is not only environmentally and ethically horrendous, it produces lousy-tasting food. Spend real money to get real food. Your meal will be incalculably more delicious and you’ll be supporting the kind of local, sustainable, wholesome food systems the world needs.

Braised Turkey and Stuffing for Thanksgiving Dinner


The Bird
1 turkey, cut into 6 pieces: breasts, thigh+drumsticks, wings

Brining Solution
1-½ liters water
½ cup sea salt
½ cup brown sugar

Stock for Braising Liquid and Gravy
Bones, wing-tips, and giblets from turkey
Chicken bones (if you have any in the freezer)
½ yellow onion
2 cloves garlic
2-3 celery stalks
Water from rehydrating the shiitakes
Bay leaf

Stuffing Stuff: this year’s version – but make whatever dressing strikes your fancy at the moment.
1 large yellow onion, diced
½ kg white or crimini mushrooms, sliced and oven roasted with olive oil and fresh sage
Handful of dried shiitake mushrooms, rehydrated and chopped
½ kg celery sticks, chopped
1 can water chestnuts, chopped
4 cloves garlic, crushed
250 g of pork products: ground pork, sausages (de-cased and crumbled), pancetta (chopped small), or some combination
Fresh bread crumbs from a medium boule of good bread
2 eggs
500 ml cream, plus or minus
A bit of the braising liquid

100 ml Cognac
Stock plus residual braising liquid
4 sprigs fresh thyme
2 T flour
250 ml cream


1. Break-down the bird. Cut the meat off the bird using standard technique, leaving the thighs attached to the legs, removing the breast meat from the bone, and cutting the tips from the wings. Go ahead and separate the back-bone and hack-up the rest of the carcass now, because you are going to use it to make the stock. Likewise, reserve the giblets for the same purpose.

2. Brine the bird. Soak the bird parts, refrigerated, in the brine solution for 4 to 5 hours.

3. Prepare stock. You have the turkey carcass from breaking-down the bird; but adding a chicken carcass will improve things greatly. (I always stockpile — forgive the pun — chicken bones in the freezer and make my demi-glace periodically.) First, the extra bones mean more flavor for the stock. More importantly, the worst chicken tastes way better than the best turkey (which, incidentally, you are about to make). Brown the bones and the giblets in olive oil. Add the rest and simmer-away for a few hours. Then strain and reserve. This will be the liquid you use for braising as well as for your gravy; so, make enough. With two sets of bones, you should be able to deliver more than enough rich broth in a few hours. Chill to skim the surface fat.

4. Mise en place. Prepare all the stuffing veggies and pork products.

5. Start Stuffing. Mix together the bread crumbs, egg+cream mixture, tarragon, parsley, salt, and pepper in a large mixing bowl. Yes, you need to taste the mixture to properly season it – so don’t be a sissy about the little bit of raw egg in there. You’ll survive. You always have.

6. Warm oven. Preheat to 350º F (175º C).

7. Roast the mushrooms. Arrange the slice ‘shrooms on a roasting pan, sprinkle with chopped sage, and drizzle with olive oil. Roast at 350º F (175ºC) for, say, 15 minutes or so. This dehydrates the mushrooms slightly and significantly deepens the flavor.

8. Brown baby brown! Brown the pork products in olive oil and remove. Next, brown the thighs+legs and wings in olive oil, getting good color on the skin side before flipping to brown the exposed side. Finally, brown the breast meat; again, skin-side first, then the flip-side.

9. Prepare big-ass roasting pan. Sauté the onions in olive oil, adding-in the celery, both kinds of mushrooms, water chestnuts, and pork products. When these are ready, set the thighs+legs and wings, skin-side up in the pan. Add the stock as braising liquid to about half-way up the turkey parts. Do not add the breasts yet. If you are too busy to read ahead, then just trust me and keep these in reserve for the time being.

10. Braise baby braise! Roast for 2 hours at 300º F (150ºC).

Braised Turkey and Stuffing

11. Reconfigure big-ass roasting pan. Remove the thighs+legs and wings from the pan. (They can keep the breast meat company for the moment.) With a slotted spoon, remove all the veggies and pork bits from the braising liquid, add these to the bread crumb mixture, and mix. This is your stuffing. If it is too dry, add more cream or some of the braising liquid or both. If it is too moist, no big deal. Check again for seasoning. Pour the remaining braising liquid into your reserved stock, bolstering the gravy-makings. Next, put the stuffing into the big-ass roasting pan. Place all the turkey parts, including the breast meat, skin-side up on top of the stuffing.

12. Roast baby roast! Pop the stuffing and turkey back into the oven for 30 minutes, no more, at 350º F (175º C) to finish the thighs+legs and to cook the breast meat.

13. Rest the meat, brown the stuffing. Take out the meat and let it rest for 10 minutes, and pop the stuffing back into the oven to brown during this time.

Braised Turkey and Stuffing

14. Make the gravy. While the meat is resting and the stuffing browning, make the gravy. Reheat the pan in which you browned the meat. When it is hot, deglaze the pan with the cognac. Add the stock and thyme, and bring to a hard boil. Reduce for until the breasts are sliced and ready to serve. Whisk-in the cream+flour pseudo-roux to thicken.

15. Slice the breast meat.

16. Eat the best damned turkey you’ve ever tasted.

Braised Turkey and Stuffing


Total lead-time on this method is 7 or 8 hours, depending on brining time. It takes 5 minutes to break-down the bird. Brining runs 4 to 5 hours. You need to start the stock at least a couple hours before the cooking begins in earnest, which involves less than 10 minutes of prep. The prep time for everything else is perhaps 20 minutes. The cooking and interim prep steps will take about three hours. The timeline looks something like this:

Noon: Break-down bird and brine the parts. (1,2)

By 2:00 pm: Start stock. (3)

By 3:00 pm: Start mis en place, roast mushrooms, and start stuffing. (4-7)

By 4:00 pm: Complete stock (3)

4:00 pm: Start browning meat and sautéing veggies. (8)

4:15 pm: Assemble braising configuration and commence roasting the thighs+legs. (9, 10)

6:15 pm: Reconfigure roasting pan with assembled stuffing and all the bird parts. (11)

6:20 pm: Return to oven. (12)

6:50 pm: Remove meat and let rest, brown stuffing, and make gravy. (13, 14)

7:00 pm: Serve dinner. (15, 16)


3 Responses to “Talking Turkey”

  1. 1 Donna 25 November 2010 at 10:46 am

    Seems a bit more of a hassle than roasting whole actually. I might give it a go on a non-holiday, when the horror of breaking with tradition isn’t so likely. Happy Thanksgiving!

  2. 2 mbjesq 25 November 2010 at 2:48 pm


    That was my mother’s first impression too; so I looked closely at the points of similarity and difference.

    In favor of roasting whole: breaking down the turkey (3-5 minutes), browning the parts (15 minutes), reconfiguring the roasting pan to add the breasts (1 minute). Anything else that I’m missing? I suppose you could add-in making stock (active time: 15 minutes, total time: 2 hours); but aren’t you going to do that eventually anyway, after Thanksgiving?

    In favor of braising: overall cooking time (~2 hours), basting (5 minutes), pouring-off fat and deglazing roasting pan for gravy (10 minutes), stuffing the turkey cavities and trussing the bird (10 minutes).

    I am assuming that putting together the stuffing, including the sauteing of the cookable ingredients, is similar as between the two techniques.

    The hassle and active cooking time seem pretty-much a wash, perhaps tipping toward my technique depending on how slavishly you baste. The mess involved in my technique is minimal, since I use one pot for the stock (which is clean and put-away by the time cooking begins in earnest), a big-ass paella pan in which to braise, and one large pan to do all the rest: browning the parts, sauteing for the stuffing, making the gravy.

    Brining the bird — which I consider to be non-optional — is also way easier with just a few part to cope with than a whole bird.

    In my quick discussion of the full Thanksgivingification of Bittman’s approach, I neglected to address two of the more interesting aspects of my strategy. They relate to the gravy and the stuffing. My mother argued that, without roasting, I wouldn’t have the pan drippings to incorporate into my gravy. To the contrary, I get every drop of jus from the meat conserved in the braising liquid, which will ultimately constitute the base of my gravy. Likewise, she says the prefers “stuffing” (cooked within the bird) to “dressing” (made in a separate oven-proof vessel) because the carcass lends flavor. All true. But my stuffing is flavored by the braising stock and all the jus from the cooking meat.

    Having a nice, rich stock available during the preparation of the gravy cannot be overstated. With the traditional approach, the gravy relies on the giblets, pan drippings, and veggies for flavor. I get the full benefit of the carcass (plus the extra chicken carcass), as well. Making turkey stock after Thanksgiving yields only Turkey soup. Yuck!

    One other, minor factor. If you have only one oven, and like having cornbread with your Thanksgiving dinner (again, my Thanksgiving reference points are drawn from my mother), the braising technique allows plenty of room to bake it in the last half hour before dinner, along with the roasting pan. The oven temp may be slightly slower than that at which I’d ordinarily bake, but it is certainly hot enough to be satisfactory.



  3. 3 ankitatiwari022 11 October 2019 at 9:56 pm

    this is one of the i read it thanks for yous blog there are lot of people will be be happy great work good and good…

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